Archive for August, 2007

This week, we continue our look at the Apostle’s Creed.

“I Believe”

The first two words of the Apostle’s Creed in English are a translation of the Latin word “credo” from which we get our word “creed.” When we confess the truths contained in the creed, we are doing much more than reciting a list of facts or theological concepts which we affirm with our minds. We are committing our whole selves to the Triune God, His Gospel, and His church. That is the idea behind the New Testament word for belief, pisteuo, “total commitment.” In declaring our faith in Christ through the creed, we are in effect, renewing our confession, reaffirming the essential unity between what we confess with our mouth and what we believe in our heart, that is, “Jesus is Lord” (Romans 10:9-10).

“I Believe in God”

When we confess that we believe in God, we are committing ourselves by faith to the self-revealed God of the Bible who relates to us personally. It is easy in our culture of “middle-class Christianity” to claim to believe in God. It becomes especially easy to say “I believe in God” within the context of civil religion where it is often equated with belief in America, the flag and democracy. But what kind of God are we confessing? Is it the God of the Bible? Or is it a god of our own idea, our own fashioning, conceived in our image? In America, many people believe in the “Creator” advanced by the Jeffersonian mythos, but they do not believe in the God of the Bible.

The Bible does not try to prove the existence of God – it assumes it. “In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth” says Genesis 1:1. The God of Scripture is the one who is self-existent, who lies above and outside of time itself. This God has revealed Himself in Scripture as YHWH, “I AM THAT I AM.” He is the one who is, who always has been and who always will be, who dwells in the eternal “now.” He alone has the right to inform us concerning His nature and attributes and He has done so through the Bible. How do we know what God is like? By reading the Bible. How do we who are saved experience communion with God? By meditating on the words of the Bible. How do we grow deeper in our relationship with God? By absorbing the truth of the Bible. We can observe God the Creator through His handiwork in creation and know a little of what He is like. But only through His revelation of Himself in Scripture can we come to an understanding of God as our Redeemer.

It is this God that we confess when we declare our faith through the Apostles’ Creed.


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Removing Obstacles

Josh Harris chimes in on our topic from a few weeks ago.

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There are three qualities and three responsibilities of elders that must be present and fulfilled if we are going to point those God has and will entrust to us to Christ and the cross by our lives (This is a little longer than I would like but I want to finish tonight to conlcude the series). Let’s look at the qualities first.

Paul says in I Timothy 3:1 that, if anyone sets his heart on being an overseer, he desires a noble task. In plain and simple terms, this involves a form of ambition, an aspiration, a drive, a target to shoot at. In the Greek, the word is orego and it means “to stretch yourself out, to personally reach out for.” It refers to ambition, or to that which drives or motivates someone.

Now, for us today ambition is usually considered negative and is associated with some kind of self-seeking behavior or hidden agenda. But there is a biblical ambition and one that is essential to all good leadership. It is ambition that is a mark of maturity. It’s an ambition that isn’t self-seeking but seeks the glory of God and what’s best for others. It’s an ambition that doesn’t seek a position, praise, power, or popularity but seeks to serve God and man. God is not looking for men who are aspiring for position. The church needs men who want to serve the body for the glory of God and the blessing of others.

The second word Paul uses is the word ergon which means work, deed, action, task or enterprise. The emphasis is clearly on the function of overseeing and not on the position or prestige that goes along with it. Godly ambition to serve is important.

The second qualification is the quality of blamelessness or being above reproach.

In I Timothy 3:2. Paul says,

Now the overseer must be above reproach.

In other words, our lifestyle should be such that no one can legitimately accuse us of conduct that is unbefitting a mature believer. He’s not saying we have to be perfect or without improvement. One of the most fundamental principles of Scripture is that we all fall short of God’s glory and perfection. Paul says so in Romans 3:23. So while godly maturity and Christlikeness should be the goal or target of every believer and while one of the goals of every ministry and its leadership should be to bring its people into higher and higher stages of godly maturity, none of us even comes close to perfection. So Paul is not demanding perfection before selection, or else no one would qualify. He understands that there is always room for improvement but generally speaking, he says our lifestyle doesn’t give anyone the opportunity to accuse us of improper behavior. It means that the qualities he lists after this statement about being above reproach should exist in our lives to such a degree that we stand out as prominent and consistent characteristics. It means we shouldn’t be expected to walk on water. But it does mean we should be expected to be mature examples of Christlikeness and we should be expected to continue to grow.

The third qualification is not actually listed but it is eluded to indirectly through the 20 qualities he lists after the qualification of being above reproach. It’s the qualification of balance. As you read through the list of qualifications in the passages in 1 Timothy and Titus it is possible to group them into the different fundamental relationships Christians experience on a day to day basis.

The first and most important relationship we are in is the relationship with God and His Word. The qualities that address this relationship include:

1. Not being a new convert
2. Being devout
3. Able to Teach and Exhort in Sound Doctrine and Refute Those Who Contradict

The second relationship is the one an we have with ourselves. The qualities that address this relationship include:

1. Being temperate
2. Being prudent
3. Not being quick tempered

The third relationship is the one we have with our family. The qualifications that fall under this relationship include:

1. Being the husband of one wife
2. Having children under control
3. Managing their own household well

The next few qualities are ones we exhibit in our relationships with others. They include:

1. Being hospitable
2. Not being self-willed
3. Loving what is good
4. Not being pugnacious
5. Being uncontentious
6. Being gentle
7. Being just
8. Being respectable or orderly
9. Having a good reputation

The last two qualities fall under our relationship with things. They are:

1. Being free from the love of money
2. Not being addicted to wine

This is important to bring to your attention because it is a way to stress that these qualifications encompass every area of our lives. A truly mature man is well-rounded and balanced, someone who allows Christ to invade, take charge, and change every sphere of his life. Biblical Christianity knows nothing about compartmentalized living. There aren’t any areas of life where the Lord is not allowed to invade and take charge. We cannot have spiritual junk closets. We are God’s nothing more, nothing less, nothing else.

Now let’s look at the three responsibilities that if fulfilled, will ensure that we point those God has and will entrust to us to Christ and the cross by our lives.

12 But we request of you, brethren, that you appreciate those who diligently labor among you, and have charge over you in the Lord and give you instruction, 13 and that you esteem them very highly in love because of their work. Live in peace with one another. – 1 Thessalonians 5:12-13 (NASB)

The first responsibility Paul mentions in these two verses is the responsibility to labor among you. The word labor is the Greek word kopiao that Paul loves to use and it means to work to the point of sweat and exhaustion, to exhibit great exertion and great effort, to work until you’re weary. He characterizes the elder as one who works diligently, who labors to the point of sweat and exhaustion among his people. That means we believe we are to work as hard as we possibly can to the point of exhaustion to do among other things, explain the gospel, explain the truth, apply the truth, warn you, admonish you, counsel you, and help you. We are to wear ourselves out shepherding, overseeing, leading, teaching and protecting you.

Secondly, we also have authority over you. As difficult as that is to say, it is true. The word for charge over you, proistemi, means to stand before someone or preside, or to lead or to direct. It’s used in 1 Timothy chapter 3 three times, verse 4, 5 and 12, and 1 Timothy 5:17 in reference to leaders in the church. And it means to be in charge…to have authority. We are responsible for the congregation, answerable for the congregation, and are to lead the congregation. But before you balk, please understand what kind of influence, responsibility, and control the Bible is talking about. The Bible is talking about a delegated authority. And it’s authority that has been delegated by Christ. That’s what the little phrase “in the Lord” means there in verse 12. That means we have not been self-appointed. The position was not man-made. We don’t give ourselves our authority, nor do you give us our authority. We have been called, equipped, and appointed by God. It is our duty to lead for the Lord’s sake…not for personal power, personal prestige, personal gain, personal career, advancement, but for the Lord. That’s why Peter says in I Peter 5:3 that we’re not to lord it over you. It is a loving, gentle, delegated authority that does not serve us but serves you, does not exalt us but lifts you up. It is our responsibility to take care of the general health of the church, to set the group spirit, the group morale, the spiritual tone, to bring about a functioning unity, to handle people in personal relationships and all their difficulties in life, to solve problems by discovering problems, evaluating options, finding solutions, working for change. It’s our responsibility to provide that leadership for you.

Third, we have the responsibility to instruct you. The word instruct is the verb noutheteo which means instruction with a view toward correction. It carries the idea that we’re to let you know that if you keep going the way you’re going you’re going to have problems, so it would be better for you turn and go the other way. It is not just information, it is instruction with a view toward changing people, toward correcting them. It’s teaching with an element of warning, an element of correction, an element of channeling them toward holy living. We could say it’s tender instruction toward holy living. It’s translated admonish in 1 Corinthians 4:14 and describes how a father instructs his beloved children. We are to gently and tenderly instruct the body away from those things that hurt, toward those things that bless. And, of course, the source of that is the Word of God.

Like Timothy, we should be, in Paul’s words in I Timothy 4:15, “absorbed” in the teaching ministry of this church. Why? Because our salvation, your salvation and the salvation of those who hear our teaching will be directly proportionate to the time we spend immersed in preparing and teaching the Word of God. The more immersed we are, the more mature and complete we all will become (Colossians 1:28)

With that said, what should you expect of us? H.B. London makes a pretty thorough and accurate list in his book “Pastors at Risk”. He says, and I agree, based on our role as defined in Scripture,

1. You should expect us to be committed to personal holiness.
2. You should expect us to be men of integrity.
3. You should expect us to be men of faith and prayer.
4. You should expect us to always be prepared to preach and teach.
5. You should expect us to be real, vulnerable, transparent, willing to admit our mistakes.
6. You should expect us to be secure enough to say “We don’t know” and to be willing to find the answers.
7. You should expect us to be a person of courage, willing to confront evil and injustice.
8. You should expect our families to be an example (not perfect) but an example.
9. You should expect us to train and equip others for ministry.
10. You should expect a full-time effort.

“Pastors at Risk”
H. B. London
Pg. 9-10

I’ll add #11. We should point you to Christ and the cross by our words and our lives.

Blessings to you and yours.

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What do the Elders of Legacy want to do and why do we want to do it? We want to point those God has and will entrust to us to Christ and the cross by our words and by our lives.

I solemnly charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead, and by His appearing and His kingdom, preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with great patience and instruction. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires, and will turn away their ears from the truth and will turn aside to myths. But you, be sober in all things, endure hardship, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill your ministry. II Timothy 4:1-4 (NASB)

The words we are to use are dictated by the nature of our particular call and the nature of our call can be broken down into three areas; the who of the call, the when of the call and the what of the call. First, the who.

The Who of the Call

Paul charges Timothy in the presence of God to preach the Word. God was not only Paul’s witness, He was the one who was actually doing the charging. Paul was the instrument through whom God was calling Timothy to the ministry of the Word.

We believe the Elders of LBC have been charged to do the same. We have been charged by God to preach and teach the Word. We are under God’s scrutiny. When we prepare to preach and teach, we not only prepare for the congregation, but we prepare for Him. The Bible says in Hebrews that we will give an account for the congregation and James says we will incur a stricter judgment because we teach. Therefore teaching and preaching is a high and serious calling that we all take very seriously, whether it be in Sunday School, Wednesday night Small Groups or Sunday morning from the pulpit.

The When of the Call

We not only impart the Gospel to you because of the who of the call, we impart the Gospel to you because of the when of the call. Paul encourages Timothy to preach the Word in season and out of season. In other words, he is to preach all the time.

We, again, have the same charge. We are to preach the Word all the time. We are not given a time limit. We’re given an open-ended, never-ending command to preach and teach. If there ever was a time that was considered out of season to preach and teach the Scripture it’s right now. But we will faithfully do it anyway because of Who called us and because of our fondness and love for those He has given us to oversee/shepherd.

The What of the Call

Finally, we impart the Gospel to you not only because of the who of the call and the when of the call, we impart the Gospel to you because of the what of the call. This of course has two parts.

First, Paul told the church at Thessalonica that he imparted the Gospel to them.

We have the same mandate. That means we teach and preach the Gospel which of course begins with bad news. Every man, woman, boy and girl enters the world in bondage to and dead in their trespasses and sins. As a result of that bondage there is nothing they can do to save themselves. But fortunately, there is good news. At the right time, Christ humbled Himself, left His rightful place at the Father’s side, took on flesh and lived among mankind and did what man could not do for himself. He was scourged and crucified to pay the debt they owed and absorb the wrath they deserved so that they might be set free from the chains of sin that they could not loose themselves. And the promise of Scripture is that if a person agrees with God that they were sinners, repent of their sins, confess Jesus as their Lord and believe in their heart that God raised Him from the dead, they will receive the forgiveness offered in the Lord Jesus and be saved.

Second, he told Timothy to not only teach and preach the Gospel but to teach and preach all of Scripture. Not only are we to share the Gospel in terms of sin and Christ’s atoning work, we are to preach and teach the whole council of God. Why? Because. . .

16 . . .it is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,

In other words, the Bible teaches us about God, His Son Jesus Christ, His Holy Spirit, about man (you and me) and about our past, present and future in terms of our relationship with each other. The Bible also provides a standard by which we should measure how that relationship is going. It provides a test that we can take and then grade ourselves on how we’re doing in the area of spiritual maturity. That’s the rebuking. But it doesn’t stop there. It also provides the answers we need to pass the test. It reveals the kinds of characteristics and values we should possess as believers in Christ. That’s the correcting. But again, it doesn’t stop there. The Bible also tells us how to live or how to apply those answers to our lives. It gives us the information we need to learn how to live day by day as believers in the Lord Jesus. It provides us with the thoughts, attitudes and behaviors we should exhibit. That’s the training in righteousness.

The language speaks of “making someone upright who has fallen down”. We are to pick you back up, correct your error and then put you on the right path. We are to train you to live an obedient life. And to do that we must always remember to point you to the Word of God. We want you to hear Him!

To be continued. . .

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Having so fond an affection for you, we were well-pleased to impart to you not only the gospel of God but also our own lives, because you had become very dear to us. – I Thessalonians 2:8

I love to elk hunt. When I lived in Colorado it was one of the highlights of my year. Due to a slight miscalculation that could have landed me in the 2003 edition of the Department of Wildlife’s “What Not to Do Video” that is mandatory viewing in the Hunter’s Safety Course, Wendy gave me my very own handheld global positioning system or GPS for short the following year. At that time I thought I had arrived. Of course now they come standard in almost every car and on every mobile phone.

GPS’s work from the ancient sailing principal called triangulation. When traveling on the open sea, being a degree off course could make the difference between landing at your destination or landing hundreds of miles away from your destination. So sailors would maintain their course by creating a triangle between their ship and two other fixed points. During the day, land was a necessity and at night stars would be used. Today, all we need is this little computer and two or more satellites.

You and I as individual believers and we as a corporate body called the church function in the same way when it comes to determining God’s path or direction for our individual lives and for the life of our church. And without God’s positioning system, we are left to run adrift both aimlessly and hopelessly. That system includes God’s word and God’s will. Unfortunately, over the last two decades or so, if not more, these divine reference points have been replaced and in some cases forgotten.

In the last 20 years God’s Word and His will have been replaced with leadership books and seminars all touting the latest practices and techniques used in the marketplace that ensure numerical growth within the church. And I have to admit to you that from 1994 until the spring of 2000 I turned to those books and seminars because I wanted to be the most effective pastor I could be. I thought people in the churches I was a part of weren’t where I thought they should be and I was having trouble getting them where I thought they should be, so I needed help. In the words of Brian J. Dodd,

The lure of success [was] seductive. Its siren song caused [me] to uncritically ascribe to much authority to high-profile leaders, platform speakers and megachurch pastors. They appeared to be successful (read: are in charge of a lot of people and money), so what they said [had to be] be authoritative. In the United States, this high value placed on success is alien to the value the kingdom of God places on faithfulness and obedience. In American measurement, Jesus’ human life was a failure because it ended in the shame and disgrace of the cross with all his followers abandoning him (Empowering Church Leadership, pg. 11.)

I, like Mr. Dodd, bought into this trend for a time, but fortunately, something happened. Again, quoting Mr. Dodd.

I had become a bit like the frog in the proverbial kettle. I was learning about the latest innovations in leadership, but I was unaware of the rising heat that could cook my spirit. In my simpler days, I had learned that the crucified and risen One was the focus of the church and that “the message about the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.” (I Corinthians 1:18). I did not find this message in the books I was reading. But slowly, subtly and for a time, a focus on vision, excellence and seeker sensitivity had replaced the cross in my thinking. My ministry reflected my thinking, up to date and powerless. I am not claiming it is anyone’s fault but my own (Empowering Church Leadership, pg. 11).

Fortunately, God had mercy on me and brought me back around. In Isaiah 31:1 it says,

Woe to those who go down to Egypt for help, And rely on horses, And trust in chariots because they are many, And in horsemen because they are very strong, But they do not look to the Holy One of Israel, nor seek the LORD! – Isaiah 31:1 (NASB)

I had been looking to Egypt, relying on horses and trusting in chariots and horsemen as I consulted these books and seminars. I finally realized I hadn’t been consulting or seeking the Lord.

While I believe the Scripture teaches the value of the Holy Spirit’s direction, the importance of prayer and the necessity of team ministry as far as the church fulfilling it’s role as a whole is concerned, I believe there are two components that pastors specifically are to carry out as far as their personal leadership is concerned if they are to be truly successful. Again, Mr. Dodd.

Theologians might call these christocentric or cruciform aspects of [Paul’s] leadership. . . We are to preach the cross, and our lives are to conform to the image of Jesus in his death and resurrection. I rediscovered that people need not polished leaders but faithful witnesses who point them to the crucified and risen One – by their words and by their lives (Empowering Church Leadership, pg. 14).

What do the Elders of Legacy want to do and why do we want to do it? We want to point those God has and will entrust to us to Christ and the cross by our words and by our lives.

To be continued. . .

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Several weeks ago, I began taking a few moments of our worship time at Legacy to explain our rationale for using the Apostles’ Creed in our public worship services. For Christians from Roman Catholic or mainline Protestant backgrounds where the creed is a routine feature of weekly (or even daily) worship, it may be surprising to know that this is an area of controversy for Baptists. Why? Because Baptists have traditionally conceived of themselves as non-creedal, that is, not using a manmade document as a test of orthodoxy. But whatever “non-creedal” may mean, it cannot mean that we are opposed to the truths encapsulated in the Apostles’ Creed, nor can it mean that we are opposed to confessing those truths uniformly confessed by all Christians for nearly two millennia.

Contrary to what the name might seem to indicate, the Apostles’ Creed was not written by any of the twelve apostles. Rather, it is a second-century document containing the deposit of apostolic doctrine and accurately summarizing the teachings of the New Testament in the essentials of the faith. There are eight subjects covered in the Apostles’ Creed: God the Father, Jesus Christ, the Holy Spirit, the communion of saints, the nature of the church, the resurrection of the body, the return of Christ, and the life everlasting. Jesus Christ is, by far, the most prominent subject of the creed. Approximately three-fourths of the text deals specifically with Jesus Christ, His person and work.

I intend to take some time in my next several posts to explain and apply the statements of the Apostles’ Creed in sequential order. My purpose will be twofold: first, for those who are very familiar with the creed, perhaps those who grew up “reciting” it in worship or who come from a denominational background where the creeds figure prominently, I hope you will be renewed in your faith. What is worse than not confessing and declaring our common faith together is to do so in a cold and lifeless fashion. Second, for those who are not familiar with the creed (almost all of us Baptists and others who come from a background where worship is free, open and unconnected to a sense of historical tradition), I hope that these brief posts will serve as a primer. I encourage you to believe what you confess and to understand what you declare. I further encourage you to boldly confess what you believe and to publicly declare what you understand. As we confess our faith together, we profess solidarity with all Christians of every age and time, with the saints who have gone before us as well as with those who stand together with us in public worship.

For nearly 2000 years, the Apostles’ Creed has provided a basic definition of what it means to be orthodox in doctrine. All of the statements in the creed are grounded firmly in Scripture. While it is true that Baptists historically have not required subscription to any human document as a test of orthodoxy, Baptists have used creeds, confessions and catechisms to summarize, define and teach the Christian faith.

B. H. Carroll, founding president of Southwestern Baptist Seminary gave the following warning to those who would put away the creed in his Commentary on the English Bible, Ephesians 4:
“The modern cry ‘Less creed and more liberty,’ is a degeneration from the vertebrate to the jellyfish . . . and it means more heresy. Definitive truth does not create heresy — it only exposes and corrects. Shut off the creed and the Christian world would fill up with heresy unsuspected and uncorrected, but none the less deadly.”

Amen, Bro. Carroll, amen.

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Can O’ Worms

It seems the term “legalism” elicits quite a stir. But that is nothing compared to the can o’ worms the term “modesty” opens. It seems my position is in question because I caused more questions than I did provide answers. So here is a re-print of an article that might at least answer the claim that I am “less than conservative on my views.” I appreciate and agree with the following, but remember, my boundaries may be different than yours. In sharing this I am not setting your standard, I am simply explaining mine.

“Modesty Heart Check” by Carolyn Mahaney, Nicole Whitacre, Kristin Chesemore and Janelle Bradshaw

…Women should adorn themselves in respectable apparel, with modesty and self-control, not with braided hair and gold or pearls or costly attire, but with what is proper for women who profess godliness-with good works. – 1 Timothy 2:9-10

Start with a Heart Check. . .

“How does a woman discern the sometimes fine line between proper dress and dressing to be the center of attention? The answer starts in the intent of the heart. A woman should examine her motives and goals for the way she dresses. Is her intent to show the grace and beauty of womanhood? Is it to reveal a humble heart devoted to worshipping God? Or is it to call attention to herself and flaunt her beauty? Or worse, to attempt to lure men sexually? A woman who focuses on worshiping God will consider carefully how she is dressed, because her heart will dictate her wardrobe and appearance.” – John MacArthur [emphasis added]

What statement do my clothes make about my heart?

In choosing what clothes to wear today, whose attention do I desire and whose approval do I crave? Am I seeking to please God or impress others?

Is what I wear consistent with biblical values of modesty, self- control and respectable apparel, or does my dress reveal an inordinate identification and fascination with sinful cultural values?

Who am I trying to identify with through my dress? Is the Word of God my standard or is the latest fashion?

Have I asked other godly individuals to evaluate my wardrobe?

Does my clothing reveal an allegiance to the gospel or is there any contradiction between my profession of faith and my practice of godliness?

Before you leave the house, do a modesty check. (What are some things you’ll look for as you stand in front of your mirror?)

When I am wearing a loose-fitting blouse or scoop-neck, can I see anything when I lean over? If so, I need to remember to place my hand against my neckline when I bend down.

If I am wearing a button-down top, I need to turn sideways and move around to see if there are any gaping holes that expose my chest. If there are, I’ve got to grab the sewing box and pin between the buttons.

The same check is needed if I am wearing a sleeveless shirt. When I move aound, can I see my bra? If I do, I need the pins again.

Am I wearing a spaghetti-strap, halter, or sheer blouse? Not even pins will fix this problem! Most guys find these a hindrance in their struggle with lust. It’s time to go back to the closet.

Can I see the lace or seam of my bra through my shirt? In this case, seamless bras are a better option.

More key questions: Does my shirt reveal any part of my cleavage? Does my midriff show when I raise my hands above my head? Is my shirt just plain too tight? If the answer to anyone of these questions is yes, then I need to change my outfit.

Moving on down…

Does my midriff (or underwear) show when I bend over or lift my hands? If so, is it because my skirt or my pants are too low? Either my shirt needs to be longer or I need to find a skirt or pants that sit higher.

I also have to turn around to see if what I’m wearing is too tight around my back side, or if the outline of my underwear shows. If so, I know what I have to do!

And as for shorts – I can’t just check them standing up. I need to see how much they reveal when I sit down. If I see too much leg, I need a longer pair. The “sit-down” check applies to my skirt or dress as well. And I must remember to keep my skirt pulled down and my knees together when I’m seated. And speaking of skirts, watch out for those slits! Does it reveal too much when I walk? Pins are also helpful here.

Before I leave, I need to give my skirt a sunlight check. Is it see- through? If so, I need a slip.

Finally, I must remember to do this modesty check with my shoes on. High-heels make my dress or skirt appear shorter. And don’t forget, this applies to formal wear as well.

A note on swimwear: It’s not easy but you can still strive to be modest at the pool or beach. Look for one-piece bathing suits that aren’t cut high on the leg and don’t have low necklines.


Modesty Check@ 2002 Sovereign Grace Ministries
Republished in Girl Talk: Mother-Daughter Conversations on Biblical Womanhood
by Carolyn Mahaney and Nicole Whitacre (Crossway Books)

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